The 50/200 Yard Zero The 50/200 yards zero is, in my opinion, the best zero for police and civilian shooters. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. 25 yard zero works great on.22lr’s for small game hunting and varmint control out to 75 yards, which is a long poke on a small varmint with a.22lr, so suitable for my uses. The 200 Yard Zero yields a Point Blank Trajectory out to about 240 yards,,, meaning you can hold dead on and make the hit somewhere in the vital zone. The lower the sights relative to the bore of the rifle, the more near parallel is the line of sight and line of bore. Im going for 100 yard zero. Here's a link for a ballistics software that's free from Remington: I've told this story before, but it's worth re-telling (short version). An old Army Range Sgt, back in the early 60's, told me if I ever had to zero my M1 in a lurch to do it at 25 yds and then fire for effect out to 300 yds and beyond. For those that have attended the courses now know that when it comes to your go-to 5.56 caliber carbine rifle that you would pick because it is best suited for 25 yard range: zero? The 36/300 zero is where it’s at for irons or red dots. (That’s missing the 6-inch circle, 3 inches below the center, or point of aim.) But where did the 25 yard zero myth come from? https://i2.wp.com/primaryandsecondary.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Capture28.jpg?ssl=1, https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3vgQuY3vA0FMlVOcmE3NS1Lbkk/edit?pli=1, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). The 12.5″ isn’t even close. 25 yard zero isn't exactly a myth. A 25-yard zero with an M-16/AR-15 is significantly different from a Mini because of the height of the sighting system above the bore difference. On this 25-yard zero illustration, both the 20″ and 16″ land hits at 400 yards, though just barely. 25 yard zero is the standard for dialing in M16/M4. Last edited: Nov 28, 2020 BreechFace, Nov 28, 2020 You can nail down your elevation with a 25 yd zero, but I like to check windage at 100. Like the article said fine tune your sights at 100 yards. At 25 yards your point of impact should be approximately 1.5 inches below your point of aim. Ive been trying to figure out the best zero I should use for my red dot. Just a close guess. "The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet than live on his knees." My reference was to an M1. Drawbacks to a 25 yard zero There is only one drawback to having the 17 HMR we have been discussing zeroed at 25 yards. So if I zero my .223 at 25 yards, where should the impact be. Not really concerned with the ammo type, lets say wolf since I have alot of that. Reason 3: The 50 Yard Zero Is Attainable For Most Shooters… The 36 Yard Zero Target In the recent carbine courses we have discussed various yard lines to zero your rifles along with the pros and cons of each yard line. Like the article said fine tune your sights at 100 yards. He said that, for all practical purposes, doing it that way would put every round inside a dinner plate out to well over 300 yds. Only have a 25 yard range to zero your rifle on. Concepts such as what you’re promoting are akin to the military 25/300 zeros that allow for a person to i just downloaded it. Your rifle is only “zeroed” at the range you zero it at (50 yards, 25 yards, 36 yards, 100 yards) and the second distance will be a … Some of the modern rifles (AR< AK) have higher sights and would pattern differently. Y'all may have already seen this article, but it is a pretty simple explaination of the the "25 yard zero" using .223, .270, .30-30, 7.62x39, .308, & .30-06. Always been a fan of a 100 yard zero for 308, but then again, I’ve always had high powered scopes. Don't have an AR/M-16, so I can't measure the difference in the sight height, but I It does limit you to 200 yards, but that’s perfectly fine for most police and civilian engagements. At 100 you will be establishing POA/POI convergence, as in: the bullets will hit where your sighting system is pointing. Also notice the 300-yard impact point. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Login with username, password and session length. A scope is a lot higher above the bore & changes bullet trajectory. thanx for the info xlt. lonewolf, I've been thinking about it since I posted and to tell you the truth, I believe it was 50 yds now that I think about it (my brain is 70 years old this month). Josh is correct about the height of the sights. The 50/200 zero variations and the 100 yard zero work well because they have been tested and had various bugs worked out. the military has used a 25m zero since the early days of the m16... it's an OK zero. Trajectory stays within ~1.75” (+/-) 0-75 yards. …and in reality, with a 25 yard zero you’d have to aim somewhere from 4 to 10 inches low at 100 yards. Here's a 25 yard zero for the same 3200fps 55gr FMJ load listed above with a 2.6 inch sight height. By Uncle Zo on November 25, 2020 • ( 1 Comment) Recently got into a discussion about different zero distances that included the topic of the 50/200 yard zero distance for riflescopes. This is why you hear people talking (and arguing) about different zeroes such as a 50/200 a 25/300 zero and a 36/300 yard zero. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. The 25 yard zero is a good rule of thumb for sighting in your rifles. As the velocity drops, even by a little, it steadily marches down the It works to some degree based on rifle and caliber. At 100 yards your will be slightly over 2 inches The point of aim needs to be consistent so that your adjustments are based off of a real hold, not an approximation. 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